露点と|その計測方法について

Hello Tony
Thanks for contacting us and showing your interest in dew point measurements. The capacitance signal is measured by converting it first to frequency, where the sensor is a variable capacitance component in the oscillator circuit. This frequency is then counted and converted to relative humidity based on the sensor calibration and linearization (this part is based on the sensor model and other proprietary algorithms that are not public, unfortunately). Please note we always measure relative humidity, and therefore, we need also precise temperature reading that is measured on the humidity sensor surface. This is a normal resistive (pt100) measurement.

With a help of this document, you can derive the dew point calculation based on the measured RH and T: https://www.vaisala.com/system/files/documents/Humidity-conversion-formulas-Technical-eBook-B210973EN-L.pdf
I hope you will also find answers to other humidity-related calculations like absolute humidity, pressure-dependency, and other humidity formulas under the same document.

Best regards
Juhani

Dear Sunny, More information on RH and calculations you will find here:
https://www.vaisala.com/en/lp/make-your-job-easier-humidity-conversion-formulas, or then you
can register for our webinar: https://www.vaisala.com/en/events/webinars/lp/real-life-use-cases-humidity-calculations
I hope the Humidity Conversion Formulas eBook and our humidity calculator tool will be helpful! Both are free.

Dear Yashwanth Kumar, Thank you for your question. Would you watch our webinar https://www.vaisala.com/en/events/webinars/lp/humidity-measurements-under-pressure to get more information on what pressure is and how it is related to humidity?

Dear Vikul, We have an excellent eGuide that helps in choosing the right instrument for your needs:
https://www.vaisala.com/en/lp/download-vaisala-compressed-air-eguide

Dear Ashok Pujari,
To find out the dew point in a certain temperature, pressure, and humidity can be solved relatively easy by using e.g. the Vaisala Humidity Calculator: https://www.vaisala.com/en/measurement/humidity-dew-point-and-moisture. With this free tool we can calculate how much the dew point maximum and minimum are. The maximum dew point happens under higher pressure, higher relative humidity and higher temperature. If we put 7 bar, 80 % RH, and 50 degrees Celsius to the Humidity calculator, we can see the calculated dew point temperature is about 45 degrees C. So, if the gas is cooled down to 45 degrees C, the condensation happens. On the other hand, if our conditions are 6 bar pressure, 60 % RH and 25 degrees C, the dew point temperature would be then about 17 degrees C. Based on this information, the dew point temperature is between 17… 45 degrees Celsius depending on the conditions.

Dear Velan, Thank you for your questions.
A) If the real frost point (dew point below zero degrees Celsius) is lower (drier) than e.g. the DMP74B, the instrument typically shows the lowest possible reading (with this product the frost point reading goes somewhere to -74 degrees Celsius because the sensor cannot anymore detect the drier condition.

B) Argon and nitrogen are both inert gases and can be measured with Vaisala capacitive thin-film sensor technology. Please note that the pressure of the measured gas has an influence on the dew/frost point and should be inputted to the MI70 handheld to compensate for the pressure effect (the DMP74B cannot measure the gas pressure itself but you need to tell it to the instrument if the pressure is not ambient, i.e. 1 bar(absolute)).

Dear Lin,

Analog output scaling depends on the product you have purchased. Based on the given number you are referring to output figures of analog to digital converter. To get your signal correctly converted you need to first understand what kind of output is selected in DMT143 you are using. If no changes are done to the product it can be done by comparing the configuration code of DMT143 to the order form of DMT143 found at docs.vaisala.com. To be 100% sure the product used can tell it’s scaling through the digital bus. DMT143 scaling could be for example be set such that output is 0 to 5 Volts and range is -70 to +60’C. This means that when the transmitter shows 0 Volts output corresponds to -70’C. If output is 5 volts then it corresponds +60’C dew point. If the transmitter outputs 2.5 Volts then it would correspond -5’C dew point.

After you have determined the scaling of DMT143 you need to make sure that how your analog-to-digital converter is scaled and how analog connections are made. For example, if 12 bit AD converter is able to read the whole 0 to 5 Volts output it means that when reading is decimal 0 output of the transmitter is 0 Volts which is the lower range value. If the reading is 4095 it means a maximum of 12 bit converter it means the transmitter outputting 5 Volts which is the maximum range value. If the output is 2047 it means that the transmitter outputs 2.5Volts which is then the middle of the range.

Issues could be that for example if an analog connection is scaled for 0 to 5 volts but the transmitter scaling is 0 to 1 volts it means that only one-fifth of AD converter capability is used and when the signal shows 819 it means that the transmitter outputs 5 volts which is maximum range value.

Best Regards,
Antti Viitanen
Product Manager
Vaisala

Hello Munawer. Thank you for sending your question. It depends on the moisture analyzer if it can output the dew point temperature or not. Most of the Vaisala humidity instruments can also output dew point. We are happy to advise you with all Vaisala related product questions.

Dear Paul,
I apologize for the late reply, there have been a few comments gone in our Comments, and come up now. 😯

Compressed air should be dried at all times to e.g. prevent corrosion and bacterial growth in the compressed air system, and to cancel free water in the air itself (any water spray or droplets are a sign of bad quality compressed air). There are different drying methods.

The most common (low-cost) drying method is a refrigerant dryer that cools the air close to the freezing point. The cool air dew point then directly equals the air temperature because the cold air cannot hold water anymore and all excess water can be removed by draining it out of the system.

The cool air is saturated by water meaning the RH is 100 %. After the drying, the air is warmed again, when the relative humidity decreases (hot air can hold more water again). The Vaisala DMT132 is a suitable product for refrigerant driers. With a desiccant drier, it is possible to achieve drier compressed air.

Dear Selvakumar Srinivsaperumal,
You can tell the actual process pressure for the DMT143 by using the serial line and XPRES command. The DMT143 can calculate the actual dew point/frost point temperature, converted to atmospheric pressure.
Best regard, Juhani Lehto

Dear Tarek,
Typical solution is that the dryer is controlled by the online dew point measurement. For example, the desiccant dryer regeneration cycle has been traditionally controlled based on time (assumption when the drying agent needs regeneration). A much better way is to switch dryer towers based on the real moisture inside the tower and that can be detected by measuring the outlet of the dryer. As soon as the output gets moisture it is time to switch. This saves energy and money because the tower drying is based on real-time measurement. I recommend reading this article about compressed air drying: https://www.vaisala.com/en/lp/compressed-air-eguide-benefit-industrial-measurements This document also contains a list of suitable dew point transmitter that fits in your dew point range.
Best regards, Juhani Lehto